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has anyone got a pic of a pendraken panzer 4 and a panther next to each other, the reason i am asking, is the panther the same size or is it smaller or bigger than the panzer4 model.
thanks Grim

No pics I'm afraid, but the Panther should be quite a bit bigger than the Pz-IV. I was surprised at how big the Panther was when I first saw it at Bovvy a few years back

thanks pete, i have got 12 panthers and they are a bit smaller than the panzer 4s so im not sure what make the panthers are, i thought the panther should be bigger than the panzer 4, oh well that means i will have to sell the panther's.

Hi All,
A quick search in Wikipedia gives the following dimensions for these two vehicles:

Panther:
Weight 44.8 tonnes
Length 6.87 metres
Width 3.27 metres
3.42 metres with skirts
Height 2.99 metres


Panzer IV H
Weight 25 tonnes
Length 7.02 m
Width 2.88 m
Height 2.68 m

So there does not seem to be a great difference except that the Panther is a bit wider. I also had the impression that the Panther was alot more massive, but I was wrong.
I've seen both at museums and the Panther certainly appeared both bigger and a lot more menacing.

Regards,

Ulf O

I think the Panther appears bigger because of the overhanging structure. The PzIV is narrower if you measure the actual width of the fighting compartment. The total width has the track guards added on, whereas the Panther has a fighting compartment that stretches the full width due to the overhang. Also the front is a solid block of sloping armour, whereas the PzIV is stepped and this makes it look less bulky. The tracks also play a part as the Panther tracks are quite a bit wider than the PzIV, again adding to the impression of bulk.

Why do you use Wiki? The length included the gun (and it was wrong), which I've corrected now

So that's 5.92m for the Pz-IV (hull) and 6.87m for the Panther (hull).

OK,
Well that's better

Means my impression was not wrong after all. Just the wikipedia page I could access from the office.....

/Ulf O

The Pendraken Panther is bigger than the Panzer 4. Its one of the best Pendraken models incidentally.

The Pendraken Mark 4 (H/J) sideskirts are horribly out of scale (thick) though. I'm intending to make some new ones out of plastic card as I'm revamping my 10mm kit.

Looks like the Panther is roughly 10% bigger in all dimensions.

many thanks guys