The Commander Series Forum

Hello, What's the best way to represent in BKC-II the low
rate of fire and limited number of ammunition for JS-II and SU or JSU-152?

I suspect that that is a bit too much detail. You could limit them to one fire order I suppose like CWC ATGM, but seems fiddly, and does not reflect usage.

I'm with Ian. I think that you might be over detailing?

I understand your opinions anyway the rate of fire and ammunition were two handycap for these tanks.
I know that the level of BKC is not a skirmish play but for other tanks are considered some details.
With a CV of 8 for the latest russian army this tanks have the chance for more fire command. With the turn that is 15 min. of real time and a ROF of 1 max. 2 hits for minute these tanks would can fire one time for turn.

I'd be inclined to allow them to fire as many times as they can activate. In a 15 minute turn I'm pretty sure they would put out an good rate of fire and the gun is large enough to give a good kill rate per shot.

Cheers, Andy

In 15 min.with a rate of fire of 1 or 2 hits and a ammunition of
28 after one fire turn The JS-2 is without ammunition.
In BKC there is not rules for re-loaded ammunition on tank so ,in my opinion ,it's usefull a rule to considerer this situation.

Sorry, I'm with Ian (though I'd hate to admit it). You're getting into a level of detail beyond the flow of the game. I'm pretty sure a JSII will get have a high probability of a kill if it gets a hit. A political officer would probably shoot a gunner in the back of the head if he fired 28 times in 15 minutes without a hit - not enough revolutionary fervour. A Sherman, on the other hand, with a decent loadout of ammo could expect to blaze away, getting hits but struggling to KO even Panzer IVs under the wrong circumstances. Logistics for reloads can always be added if you want that level of detail. It's your game after all.

Cheers, Andy

What Andy & Ian said. Low Soviet CV's or knock a dice off their fire is maybe in keeping, but that's already accounted for

Sorry " In 15 min. with a rate of fire of 1 or 2 "shots" not "hits"

The Commander series deals with all the imponderables and logistics via a combination of the stats and your command rolls.

Poor command rolls and getting only one round of fire off in a turn might mean you've run out of ammo, and the tanks are either conserving their shots or spend more time with the crew desperately grabbing shells off the truck.

A series of excellent rolls may mean they've got their logistics down pat, the ammo is straight up with them and they're blazing away and reloading as they go.

Etc.

Strictly speaking we should then differentiate between others? The 88mm flak 18 has a higher rof than the same gun inside a turret.

There are several other candidates for low rof: sturm tiger, brumbar, AVREs...

A turn isn't 15 mins long, it's however long it took for your units to complete all those tasks. Hence the abstraction element.

Ok. Thank for your answers.