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Hallo I have received the third edition of "Blitz" ( I've all the three editions)today so I cannot say more about the news of this edition but I've found in the army list some value in the red army that I think to be strange. Pag.159 there is a AFV KV-85 that is signed like A/A then pag.162 the JS2 have a strange AT value then the SU 122 is not specified if it's the SU 122 with Howitzer or the ISU 122.
It's strange also the save value of the panther (+5).
I don't know if there are other "bugs" I had not time to verified.
regards.

Hi I have noticed those same issues. There are a number of problems that are being identified on the the Pendraken forum.
An errata is available there.
Hopefully this will be sorted soon. note that the panzer IV is represented only with the short 7.5 cm gun in the Italian and North West Europe lists this is an acknowledged error and one should use the long version in the Eastern front list.
Also missing British Sherman's in the Ilalian theatre lists ......but a complete overall is bound to result in some issues however I must admit that some seem very basic for instance no Joseph Stalins in operation Baragation but lots of Kv 85s .

My observation about JS2 is for the AT value 5/40 while SU 122 is 4/100. when the Panther save value is 5+ like hellcat, T34, Pz IV , the sturmIIIG save with 6+ ecc. There are many strange
value in comparison with other edition and the rules are substantiall the same.
where is the Pendraken forum?

Hi,

You'll find the forum here, you'll need to sign up for full access for posting etc, but they're a lovely bunch of people. (If a bit strange, but that's usual for us lot)

http://www.pendrakenforum.co.uk/

Thank, anyway there are too many strange data value in the army list and in my opinion it's impossible play this rulebook if there are not clarifications and corrections. in fact it cannot understand if they are "bugs" or abstractions of the rules.I have disappointed by this edition.

NW Europe list has flakpanzer 38t with no AA value - had seen the KV-85 and JS-2 ones, there is a lot of inconsistency which should have been spotted before it came out. As the data lists are pretty much key to the whole game it will be interesting to see what gets done to sort it out.

After my first impression the situation is not better today.
In my opinion with this army list it's impossible play a game.
With the Panther abilities "tough armour",gun L/70 more powerfull of 88/l71, Hellcat with save like a Panther, SU 122 that I don't know if it is the ISU or SU,the gun of jagdtiger like the gun of the Panther, JS2 with gun range less than 45mmAT etc. perhaps this edition is more usefull for fantasy game.
I am disappointed very very much.
"Blitz" was my favourite game. Now it is like my poor contry, Italy,"Disaster"!!!

I have not received my copy yet, but I have noted on other forums questions being raised about the army lists such as missing vehicles, no years of service, odd weapon and armor/save values.

It does seem odd to have so many easily spotted anomalies after such a wait.

It raises the question of who playtested it, if anyone.

It's only a my opinion but I think the only way to resolve the question
of this army list is to re-write all. There are too many error and strange values.

Most of the army lists do contain errors. Some of it is easy to spot. FW190 in 1939 and some are much smaller. They are many and varied, and might require a great deal of digging. Alas Leonardo might be right. The lists need a complete rewrite. An sad error after such a build up. Is BKCIII fit for purpose? Probably not. Real shame.

But I cannot understand "why these error" it's impossible.there were the army list of BKC I and II already. with little modifier and job it would be all OK. If it can be usefull and if I'll have time, I'll make a list of error,for the most used army, But I repeat that the best way is the editor re-write all, not a simple errata. es. pag. 67 and 68 the "green and veteran dice for suppression are inverted (6 for suppr. green and 4+ for veteran!!!)

found it under the errata

Take another look under the Pendraken rules. The bkc rules section is alight!

leonardo, you'll make a list of the errors? How much time do you have? And it's not simply errors of omission and addition, lots of the points don't make sense. Field defences have become unlimited and free so it would seem as well.

I'll make list of all data that in my opinion are wrong or strange.
I don't have ability for re-write all the army list.
I would want to contribute for a revision of this army list.
Anyway there are situations too much strange that every wargamer can see.
BKC was my favourite game and I would want to use it again.

Agreed. I'm a huge fan and will stick firmly with BKC, but version 2. BKCIII needs a complete rewrite. A PDF of errata and corrections would be too much effort to use or add into the book now. How it was cocked up so badly is hard to imagine.

Clings copy of BKC2 tightly to chest.

"My precious, my precious..."

I think tonight many of us will be holding onto our copies of BKC2.

It's been quite a week.

Doesn't bode well for CWC

We'll be responding to all the feedback on Monday evening.

I'm interested in knowing how many of the hundreds of BKC II players on this forum were consulted on or play tested the finished rules?

Cheers

Richard P

It looks like things are in hand and I'm sure that the Pendraken crew will come up with something. If anything the (hard) lessons learned from BKCIII will make CWCII a much much better production.

I do hope so and we are all here to assist in any way we can

Yep, with excessive confidence (as it now seems), I bought both paper & pdf copies of the rules as soon as they were available. Bad mistake - it looks like c£35 wasted! It also inspires no confidence in a possible future CWCII, which I doubt Pendraken has much interest in as they don't produce many toys for the period. I had been considering venturing into 10mm even (I'm mostly 6mm), but that is now very firmly on hold. After so long producing BKCII, it really is a pretty shoddy job. Let's hope for something positive to fix it in the proposed announcement later - fingers crossed
Cheers,
MarkJ

Pendraken are currently pumping out post war stuff for Korea and onwards - there's a load of very very nice 60/70's stuff out already and more on the way. Timecast may have beaten them to it somewhat however...

I didn't think BKC2 needed much except tidying up tbh, if I was hoping for a big shake up in the lists/stats for CWC2 to bring it into line with split ap/at stats, and atgw/era/chobham and some good e-war stuff.

Playtesting - there were quite a few groups, I understand, and others say the rules seem solid. But then others are picking them apart line by line and demanding immediate clarifications and rulings. I haven't bought them (we've shifted back to Spearhead tbh!), so I've no dog in the fight but the level of pickiness on the actual rules seems excessive judging by reading a fair few reports of people who are pleased and happily playing. The lists do sound very odd, mind. Nothing you can't work round with a working historical understanding and picking up from the rest of the book but definitely disappointing in a premium product.

The pickiness and vitriol is startin to remind me of the horrendous frothing changes In W40k or Warhamster generated Or the DBx competition scene at its worst.