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Rules says "units may use counter-fire against each assaulting and supporting unit"

A Russian T34/85 with SMG tank riders assault a german infantry unit with Panzerfaust upgrade

The german unit can fire both again riders with AP value and again the tank with is AT value during counter fire?

No answer ? The unit can she make a counter-fire against tank AND riders at the same time (with AT and AP values)?

Personally I think the unit should be able to fire at both since the men equipped with the IATWs would only be a fraction of the total men in the unit.

However on p24 it says, "Infantry units may use their AP attacks OR their IATW attacks as a single action - they cannot fire them both together". So it seems quite clear that the German unit cannot fire at the T34 AND the tank-riders.

Hope that helps.

Puzzled

PS I've just moved to Toulouse - do you live anywhere near there?

Thank for answer, it´s clear. And only one shoot with IATW per game turn.

I live near Strasbourg sorry.

As it's not an APC/IFV isn't any counter fire & subsequent hits directed at the infantry, which then assaults whilst the T34 only supports the assault?

German infantry unit was placed in trenches near forest hedge. Rusian T34 and riders assaulting the german unit, but finaly its the infantry unit that perform the assault with T34 supporting.

It changes you something for counter-fire?

No rules to hand but don't you:
1. Fire at the tank
2. Then the infantry have to dismount suppressed
3. You might even suppress the tank?

Or have I remembered it wrong?

Firing (p20): "... units firing at transport that is carrying troops fire at the transport, not the passengers. The exception to this are tank riders who may be fired at independently of their transport".

So, since the assaulting unit is on a tank and not in a transport, the defending units is not forced to fire at the tank.

Response (p30): "Units under assault, and any units within 10cm of a unit under assault, may open fire at assaulting and supporting units".

And since the tank is supporting the assaulting infantry, the defending unit is not forced to fire at the infantry.

Therefore the defending unit can choose to fire at either the assaulting infantry or the supporting tank.

Hope that makes sense.

Puzzled

I think it´s right : "the assaulting infantry OR the supporting tank"

Now looking at the rules - yes, you're right.

when it comes to the game fire p'faust at the tank. P'faust gets 8 attacks, the infantry up to 4 depending on type. Since all "hits" count for resolving the combat fire p'faust at the tank and the infantry will dismount suppressed by default - assuming you cause some unsaved hits on the tank! SIMPLE!