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Infantry guns can fire at any enemy unit within LOS of a friendly unit that is within 20cm of the command unit that issued the order.

Can a flexible tacticial doctrine command unit use a friendly unit that has already been issued orders earlier in the command phase by another command unit?

Unless I have missed something, [tempting fate?]... units can only be commanded by one commander [HQ] unless the first attempt fails and then a second comander [CO] can attempt to issues orders.

So HQ1 successfully orders infantry gunA to shoot with a successful die roll, say CVdie roll of 8, HQ1 tries again and succeeds in making roll of 7, HQ2 tries again and succeeds on roll of a 6. HQ1 stops fearing he will fail on a roll of 5. HQ2 and CO now issue orders but neither can issue orders to gunA. [If HQ1 had continued and succeeded on roll of 5 fine, but if HQ1 failed on roll of 5, the same outcome would apply to other commanders, they cannot now give gunA commands.]

Carl

Agreed, but what I am wondering about is whether a flexible tactical doctrine unit that has already been moved / fired by HQ1 can then provide LOS for HQ2 to give orders to the infantry gun.

Reading the rules I'd say yes - it says nothing about the 'spotting' unit needing to be under command of the HQ issuing the fire order, just that it has to be within 20cm's. And nothing about doctrine either - that would appear to be the case whether you're rigid, normal, flexible or anything else!

Of course if you played historical orders of battle then the gun is likely only to be linked to its HQ and the CO.

I suppose thats how I would tend to play most games.

I think the moving unit might be able to observe for another gun but if the first gun has already fired through one HQ it shouldn't be firing again otherwise you could have only guns and HQs and never stop shooting!!

Carl

If the IG has already been commanded to fire by one command unit, then it can't be commanded to fire again by another command unit, regardless of who the spotting unit(s) belong to.

What Kiwidave said!

However, a unit in a different formation/not under command CAN be used to SPOT for LoS purposes according to the RAW.

Tempting fate again - RAW is ?

Rules As Written

Thanks By-Tor

What I'm having difficulty with is the timing of it all: would a unit at the very end point of having being moved / fired by HQ1, have the luxury of time to be able to provide LOS for HQ2 when HQ2 starts to issue orders. Am I wrong in assuming movement by units under HQ1 & HQ2 is simultaneous?

It's a fudge for game purposes, just like anything in any set of rules... would cover runners, radio, field telephones, flag signals, whatever

If you want to reduce the helicopter general feel just allow use of LoS for only those units in command?