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Glad to see what we used as a house rule in BKC1, save rolls for dug in infantry, a rule in BKC 2. Gives a proper role and function to infantry in attack and defence. But do people reduce the 5+ save to 6+ if the dug in target is subject to indiret fire (on or off table)? Would seem to match logic of reduced saves for vehicles with saves if hit by arty/air and would also be quite good fit to real world.

I thought the reduced save was only vs air attack

Rather than change the save, I use 5+ to hit for indirect fire and 6+ for direct fire.

"Rather than change the save, I use 5+ to hit for indirect fire and 6+ for direct fire."

That's what we do. It gives a clear role for the arty to soften up the defences.

Cool thanks for the ideas.


Rolling this on... How are people liking or not trying to shift dug infantry? My crew really berate that attackers are hit on a 4+ in the assault and defenders on 6 still. I tell 'em to sort out their smoke (inc our house rule of smoke rounds for btn mortars), support and attacking from somewhere on the flank... But still tough. And my standard issue that dug in in 1940 is not dug in in 1944...

Shifting dug-in/entrenched troops is really hard work! You have to do as you say - smoke, flank attacks, and it *really* helps if they are suppressed by art and/or MG fire prior to assaulting, as this prevents them shooting at you as you go in.

Auto suppress from IDF is the answer I find.

You only CA suppressed enemy - or really weak ones.

I have played a Crete para scenario several times, and the usual drill is for the German Paras to pour fire on to dug in troops, and then CA. Works.

Steve

Guys

Don't have my rule book handy but we find the 6+ to hit and then 4+ cover save for units in trenches (and stone buildings) - we play with the odd piece of Normandy farm terrain! - means that unless you play with the "auto-suppress" when hit by indirect fire optional rule it is impossible to dislodge them.

Cheers

Andy

Flamethrower vehicles is what you need. Hits on a 4+, no saves, auto suppression and fallback even if less than 10! Lovely.
Unless I've mis-read the rules of course !