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Hello everyone,

Just wondered if the 15mm gamers out there can enlighten me on how the 50% increase in firing ranges changes the game. I now just noticed this in BKC II. Thanx for any comments....

Gunny

I use ranges as is with 15mm as it works fine.

Same here. No range / move increases.

To us this makes sense since in BKC1 most folks based their tanks on 25 or 30 x 50mm bases. That's about the same size as an unbased 15mm model?

Same here, with around 15 of us at our club using the normal ranges in 15mm.

Will add that this is at the platton level if I was plaving at section level I would perhaps consider increasing ranges.

Thanx everyone that replied. That is great (to keep the ranges as is)I guess I was concerned if the 50% increase might impact maneuver on the tabletop. I had planned to stick to a 4 x 6 table and wanted to be able to move about the board to bypass lines of resistance, etc.

Thanx again,
Gunny

Gunny,
We use 15mms, +50% movement including +50% weapon's range. Also -- I cut and paste the Battlegroups we design to a word processing program. This allows me to also increase command distance by 50%. The latter does not happen otherwise. I would not recommend this on a 4x6 though. Our situation is unique since we have a large table.
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Perhaps similar to our group since you are also in the USA you might have access to larger table space sometime. A large table covered by a terrain mat with hidden objects underneath to terraform lots of undulating terrain is fun. One can also then use real line of sight house rules if desired.
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We started using BKCII in January and have played something like fifteen games since then with the +50%. We never played BKC.
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Just thought of one more thing. If you stay with a 4'x6' table, the +50% matters only initially. The reason is because when you get into close situations with the foe, players naturally slow down or stop. In these situations time passes by at a different pace than for maneuver units out on unopposed flanks. The ability to zoom around an unopposed or weakly-held flank is a fun and logical thing.
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BKCII works just fine on larger tables with +50%.
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Respectful best wishes,
Bill

Game as the book; no need to change.

If you are increasing distances, increase all of them.

I've always used the 50% increase in ranges, even in BKC I (where it was an unofficial house rule). I find it makes a nice fluid game, and makes use of cover more important (as you're more likely to be in range of the enemy as you move). Then again, I generally play on a 6'x6' table, so I may be biased.

excuse me but when increase the measure of 50% I must increase the artillery template?

Yep... the way we play is to increase ALL dimensions by 50% (including movement, command radii, weapons ranges, template sizes)

Interesting, as we only increase the weapon ranges. Having read the above this may be wrong.

Having said that we play with 30mm sqaure bases for 15mm.

mmmm, got me thinking....

I use the 1.5 increase on all measurements (except artillery/air templates). It works very well in 20mm and would look even better in 15mm.

Chris

We've been using +50% movement, weapon ranges and artillery templates. After a dozen games we began to think the larger templates are too powerful.
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Optional Rules on p. 134 indicate the templates are too large without the +50% increases. So we went back to the original template size in our +50% games. Better.
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Respectfully,
Bill

We also increase command distance +50%.
Respectfully,
Bill

Playing tonight, and I've increased the movement AND ranges by 50%.

See how things go and what the feedback is.

For ref, tonight is Early Eastern Front, Tank heavy to try things out.

Feedback from last night,

Generally the 50% increase to BOTH weapon ranges and movement worked well. I kept the templates for artillery and air the standard size as I use 30mm square bases and this tends to mean infantry are a lot more compact than the rectangular bases.

Command distance was kept at 20cm but this may need to be 30 to allow troops to space out a little more. This may then mean I increase the templates to compensate.

Overall - positive result. Majority of group now have a copy of the rules, so we can all argue our cases whilst refering to Pete's words and pictures. Next BKC2 game Sept due to holidays (and my lack of solo facilities atm).