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ebarrett
Ireland
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Posted on 18 February 2010 at 15:10:13 GMT
Am I right in thinking that Dug-Outs offer complete protection from everything bar enemy units that come into physical contact, meaning artillery strikes have no effect on units inside?

(ref page 46)
iAugustus
Finland
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Posted on 18 February 2010 at 16:22:30 GMT
I believe the rules say troops inside a dug-out cannot be SEEN unless the observer is in contact with the entrance. Hence it's very unlikely for artillery FO to use them as a target. But I don't believe rules say they are immune to inderect fire. So if they fall under the template they are hit on 6+ (full cover) and saves on 4+.

The Pete will of course set us straight if the meaning was dugouts shall be immune to inderect fire.

iAugustus
pete
Wales
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Posted on 19 February 2010 at 10:08:27 GMT
Yes, there is some chance of suppressing them.
Leader
United Kingdom
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Posted on 12 March 2012 at 19:24:29 GMT
In one of our recent games there was a dug-out within the area under artillery and air attack. We treated the attacks as hitting on a 6 as dug-outs are listed as being hard cover on the hit summary on P.140
We then applied the 4 save as per P.46, ignoring the armour reduction ability of aircraft attack because the dug-out is not a unit or AFV.
Then we rolled suppression rolls needing a 6 for the unsaved hits.
On a second turn the combined and concentrated attacks (the unit in the dig-out was the only unit under the template) knocked out the unit in the dug-out with a reasonable set of rolls which seemed to make the dug-out a bit pointless.
Pete's reply starts 'Yes' which could be taken to mean that units in dug-outs are immune to indirect fire but then how is there a chance of suppressing a unit in a dug-out?
I couldn't find such a refence in the rules, the FAQs or elsewhere in the forum. Am I missing something?

In searching the rules for an answer we noticed that it was not permitted to place a command unit in a dug-out, only infantry or infantry support units. Is this really what was intended as we had placed the CO and a command post in the dug-out thinking it would be the safest place? Interestingly, BKC permits one command or two infantry units to be placed in a dug-out, so we had probably just not noticed the change.

Comments welcomed, as always. Smile
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