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Just exactly how do these work? Are they standard recce units? (Which I doubt.) Or are they non-recce units that move along with recce units and can fight without the distance penalty?

They are not standard recce units.

see p46 of bkc2 !

You are correct they do not incur the distance penalty.
They also can not communicate with command units either - so you can not use them for spotting etc.

They are there to act as a bit of backup for the "real" recce units.

Thanks, found it. Actually page 45.

Btw does it say anywhere do the recce support benefit from the "harder to hit" recce rule?

I would say No.
Paul

They are "recce" so yes they do i believe.

I side with Paul with a No. They are recce support units and they are not performing the recce role. It's only the units doing the recce role that get the benefit. They are to act as a big brother should the little brother recce units encounter something bigger than they are.

Good question. Hey there Pete. What's the skinny on this?

I think it's fine for recce support units to enjoy the negative modifier on enemy direct fire. Whilst they may not be the ones communicating with friendly HQs they *are* part of the reconnaissance effort and, just like recce units, the arm of service (second column on any army list) given for recce support units is ”REC” which might indicate that (except where expressly indicated otherwise) they would be treated the same.

Up to you, Pete

Oh Pete, we're waiting for the "definitive" answer.

I supprt recce support units having the fire modifier. Makes more sense.

The way I read it (and, yes, I can read, just), is that they are not Recce units par sa, but just support units attached to Recce. They don't actually go out and find the enemy, they just support those who do.
As for them having the 'No Distance' rule, it is so they can support the true recce guys.
Thats my take on the matter, and now it's up to Pete for his answer (have you got one, Pete?)
Paul

Judging from other threads, I'm giving Recce Support the modifier.

I agree with Gun-pit Paul. The rules do not state that the supports act like Recce except for the distance issue. Unless Pete offers something different, we have to be careful here. It would be a shame to see recce units become combat spearheads if the are indeed harder to hit. That is not their job.

Chris

Maybe Pete's not weighing in because he's waiting for us to find the answer in the rules!

I wouldn't blame him -- half of our questions are usually answered somewhere in the text. Must drive him barmy....does it Pete?

"I agree with Gun-pit Paul. The rules do not state that the supports act like Recce except for the distance issue. Unless Pete offers something different, we have to be careful here. It would be a shame to see recce units become combat spearheads if the are indeed harder to hit. That is not their job."



WWPD - What Would Patton Do - RECONNAISSANCE IN FORCE!

WWPD, wouldn't he find the nearest private and slap him?
Paul

Reading recently about the Anzio campaign, I can't help wondering what Patton might have achieved there. Better one man slapped than thousands of extra casualties.

Haha! Don't get me started on Patton!

As a "get up and go!" general he was one of history's best - but in most other areas he could rival some of the worst. IMO! So he would probably have "acheived" a lot, but not all of it good or helpful.

All the best

Pb

PS In a spirit of trans-atlantic fairness I think Monty was overrated too - you might have been able to make a good general by mixing the best qualities of the two of them - but imagine the monstrous ego this Frankenstein's creation would have had! "It" would have been totally impossible to work with instead of just mostly impossible. See "Eisenhower's Generals" for a good insight into these two very different prima-donnas. Pb

Patton ; "Forget this goddamned business of worrying about our flanks... Some goddamned fool once said that flanks must be secured and since the sons-of-bitches all over the world have been going crazy guarding their flanks" he once said to his staff. One of his southernmost commander, during the sweep towards Paris, asked him what he was to do about some 100,000 Germans south of the Loire river threatening his flank. Patton's answer : "Just Ignore'em!"

I admit I consider him more a great RPG caracter than a superb general, though.

This deserves its own topic, so...