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Can anyone give me the stats for this unit? I can't find anything like it the Russian Army list.

Thanks,
Justo
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Infantry units have them in the book.

what page?

...and where can I find the German Mark IV-H?

Russian infantry have either 1/20, 2/20 or 4/20 AT attacks (see note 1 on each of the Russian lists), depending on the stage of the war.

I've also come up with this as a ATR unit:
ATR Platoon: Infantry; Move:10cm; Attacks 3/10*; Hits 4; Save -; Cost 20; Limit -/-; Dates -; Notes: 2/20 against armour & soft vehicles

Not used it yet though, due to not playing many games lately!

Also, the Panzer IV H-J is in the lists as Pz-IV long.

Kiwidave, the ATR platoon also carries a mix of SMG and Rifle, so should not have the *, it has 9 ATR teams, each of 2 men, plus a 4 man HQ.

Panzer IV - F2 and G have the 75mmL43
Panzer IV - H and J have the 75mmL48. This has about 5% better penetration, not enough to worry about, whilst the J lacks the turret traverse engine, again not accounted for in any rule set I know of, but you use the slow traverse rule.

IanS

While we are on the subject any particular reason for the 4/20 stats for anti-tank in the late war army lists?

Adrian

Panzerfaust, Panzersreck, Bazooka and Piat.

Penetration difference between L43 and L48 is 12-14% depending on range.

Ian, if you read the whole stat line they have 3/10* normal attacks, and 2/20 AT attacks, so the * stays, as this is the non-AT attacks. If you like you can change it around to 2/20 attacks, and add 3/10* as a note instead.

"Panzer IV - F2 and G have the 75mmL43
Panzer IV - H and J have the 75mmL48. This has about 5% better penetration, not enough to worry about, whilst the J lacks the turret traverse engine, again not accounted for in any rule set I know of, but you use the slow traverse rule."

Which will be why they are all grouped together as 'long' in the list.

I came up with the 3/10 attack ATR platoon and have used them. Recommend you do not go hunting Panthers with them!

Sorry Dave, missed that one. dislike limitimg attacks to particular target types, and upgrades.

As to tactical use, the ATR platoon seems normally to have been issued out, in sections to companies, and may be down to the platoons ( 1 per), but in specific situations could have been kept together - Kursk would be one.

Fraser - I use airpower, M10's and artillery against Panthers.

Mark - you overestimate again - thats why figures should be at 30 degrees, you also need to know armour type, in this case homogeneous for Sherman, T34 and KV. Overall the Sherman is roughly the same as a T34/76, and the standard German round is APHE. Niether Sherman nor T34 seem to havehad problems with any Panzer IV, mind you it is only 50mm as opposed to 76mm (accounting for slope etc) on both Sherman and T34.

IanS

Wow! Thanks guys, that's lots of good info.