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infantry guns and howitzer like guns can't fire indirectly?
they used to be able to do that when commanded by an FAO. but the erratum closes that possibility?

That's right.

So that cowardly Grille hiding in the woods, killing off my infantry while staying out of sight can't actualy do that? Great!

I cant follow it anymore.

The Erratum states Infantry Guns may only be issued orders by the CO or HQ, not an FAO it dos not state that they may not fire IN DIRECT.

So when I read page19 then I just replace the word FOA with the CO and/or. Right?

But now it comes:

- IG or H can fire direct at their own LOS (comd given by CO or HQ)

- IG or H can fire in-direct at the LOS of the CO or HQ.

Right?

Right

So they can fire indirect like Mortars?

yes

So littlePatton those IG and H will still do their job and they are doing it good

Ok, you are losing me now.

So, mortars can fire indiret, as above. I get that. And IGs can as well? This is where you lose me, as most IGs in the war could not fire indirect (the german 150mm could, but the liter ones didn't with special set up), and you also say that artillery (which is designed for indirect fire) can't use IF on the table?!?

I must be missing something. Could someone please explain?

The IG was Art designed for Infantry they would support the infantry in their advance. Most of the regiments had a unit of IG.

On page 19 you will find how you can fire with IG. You just have tot replace the words FAO by CO and/or HQ

Thank You Mark thats the same as I tought, read and know of IG.

Except in BKC they can not wound Armour only supp them.

"Except in BKC they can not wound Armour only supp them."

Not entirely correct. They cannot hurt armour when firing indirectly. In their direct fire mode they can actually hurt tanks. Page 17 has a list of direct fire attack values for use with each calibre IG. None of these attack values is marked as no hits against armour.

Yes I know LittlePatton but we where talking about the real thing here. How they acted in battle and wat rounds they ussed.
I bloody well know that when they are shooting direct fire they can wound armour.

Well Marc you have a very good point when you say:

"There is a more fundamental reason for limiting their AT ability - if they are in a position to be firing on tanks then you have either done something seriously wrong in deployment or have already lost the battle!"

Thats the tactic playing with IG's. Keep them to the rear and if possible hidden and shell your enemy from a distance.

First, let me admit that I’m not sure if following this thread well and that my knowledge of WWII weapons is nearly nil. However, in terms of game design functionality and real life physics emulated in most combat games, there is the obvious note I’d like to make about the concept of on-board vs. off-board artillery. In my view the rules seem to be addressing the very real physics of trajectory constraints that would apply with the relative proximate ranges of on-board guns vs. off-board guns. Hence, I’m not all too thrown off my some of the abstract rules of FO vs. HQ/CO and certain subtle limitations of IG and AT in the game.

That’s my two ½ cents –am I following this thread correctly? .

Justo

...sorry for the fat finger type-o' -just realized the several letters entered in error...