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RedDogGaz
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 12:17:10 GMT
Nothing here for scenarios, but it's a damn good read about the raid on Port Stanley early on in the Falklands War and the obstacles that were overcome. The number of in-flight re-fuelling sessions that were needed is nothing short of incredible. But to paraphrase Wellington, it was a very close run thing (fuel wise)
Thoroughly recommended.
Gary
pete
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 12:21:30 GMT
It was an interesting mission, although probably a waste of resources just to create a few holes for the Argies to use as landfill Silly
toxicpixie
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 13:12:16 GMT
Outstanding technical achievement and about the only way the RAF could justify not getting their budget slashed, but I'm with Pete on the military effectiveness of the raid Grin
RedDogGaz
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 14:45:44 GMT
Having rewad the book, have to disagree. V interesting last few pages. Basically, because of the raid, the Argies kept back a large portion of their air force capability to defend their country's cities and air bases. Without the threat of the Vulcan these planes (Mirages I think) would have been available to them. Given we only had two small carriers worth of Harriers (16?), the fact the Mirages were kept back swung the air combat in our favour. On a similar vein did the sinking of the Belgrano achieve anything militarily? Well because of the fear of it being sunk by a British submarine, the Argentine carrier was kept in port, so keeping its air wing out of the combat. Sometimes its not just what is achieved on the ground that counts, but the doubt it puts into the minds of your enemy. So miliarily, the raid was a success as substantial forces were diverted/kept elsewhere. The book cites the Doolittle Raid on Tokyo as a similar event. I would also say similar to the Commando raids on Normay in WW2. Ensured Hitler kept forces there that would have been used more effectively by the Nazis in different theatres instead of defending against an invasion that would never come.
pete
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 14:55:34 GMT
Yeah that's a good point. Putting fear into the opposing side is always a good thing.
toxicpixie
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 16:41:09 GMT
More useful to the air war were the US Sidewinders, the Argentinians failing to arm their bombs correctly and also being ordered not to engage in air to air combat with the Harriers...

Have been looking at the Black Buck missions recently (oddly enough with it being in the nostalgia zone atm!) and I suspect that those aircraft probably wouldn't have been thrown in anyway, with possible threats from Chile etc. Have really searched for reasons to like the mission but just can't find any...

Sinking the Belgrano demonstrated most effectively that if the Argentine Navy put any surface combatants in the area they would be sunk in short order. Now that's something concrete.

Putting a couple of dents in a runway was repaired in short order wasn't massively useful...
madole
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 17:25:08 GMT
Is it true that the crew were given amphetamine to keep them awake!
gwydion
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 18:26:59 GMT
amphetamine to keep you awake, tamazepam to put you to sleep afterwards was the usual rule for continuous air ops. Don't know if one long mission counts - probably any excuse for freebie drugs knowing the Crabs Grin
madole
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Posted on 29 May 2012 at 18:41:08 GMT
Sounds like my usual client group.
toxicpixie
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Posted on 30 May 2012 at 15:05:49 GMT
I did read somewhere that the standard US med kit in Vietnam contained hundreds of doses of Dexedrine. They were allegedly only for Special Forces & only used on commanders but 'permeated' down the tree quite readily...
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