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Looking at late 80's Danish formations they seem slightly at odds with the rest of Nato (or that's they way they look to me anyway).

If you look at the info about the 1st line Tank Battalions (Jutland Mechanised Brigades) - these are the one with the Leopards in - they only have 2 squadrons in each and each squadron is made up of 4 MBTs.
(where as other 'standard' nato formations are 3 x 3 or 4 x 3)

The Zeeland MBT battalions - armed with the Centurions MK 5/2s - have 3 squadrons of MBTs - each with 4 tanks.

The temptation is to deploy the Leopards in Battalions of 2 x 4 and the Centurions as 3 x 4

Anybody got any thoughts on this???

Are your figures above scaled down for CWC or actual tank numbers?

I thought Jutland tank battalions had 2 tank coys each of 11 tanks?

I am trying to calculate the scaled down numbers for CWC
The info I have looks like this:

Around this era the armour was deployed as follows-

1 Mechanised Division (Jutland)
2 Independent Mechanised Brigades (Zealand)
1 Battlegroup (Bornholm)

Jutland
120 MBT Leopard 1A3 (40 in each Brigade x3)
18 light tank M41 Walker Bulldog (Recon Battalion)
70 Centurion tank MK.III with 84mm gun (Anti-tank Squadrons in reserve)

Zealand
106 MBT Centurion tank MK.V & MK.V2 with 105mm L7A1 gun (40 in each Brigade x2 and 26 in Reserve units)
40 Centurion tank MK.III with 84mm gun (Anti-tank Squadrons in Light-Battlegroups x4)
18 light tank M41 Walker Bulldog (Recon Battalion)

Bornholm
16 light tank M41 Walker Bulldog (1 Tank Squadron and 1 Recon Squadron)

The Landjut Command had 3 Jutland Mechanised Brigades

Mechanised Brigades had 1 x Tank Battalion + 2 x Mech Infantry Battalions + 1 x Motorised Infantry Battalion

(NB the Independant Regimental Battlegroups (Mech) had 1 Tank Battalion and 3 Motorised Infantry Battalions)

The Tank Battalions appear to be composed of:
Command - in an M113 (interesting)
2 or 3 Tank Squadrons
1 x Mech Inf company (in M113's)
plus attached 120mm towed mortars (towed by M113s)
Plus M220 TOW ATGW teams in transport (either M150s or Landrovers)

So ... you end up with Brigades of 40 MBTs but getting this down to numbers of squadrons and then the number of MBTs per squadron is complex. Hence I seem to end up with squadrons of 4 MBTs.

Some of the formations have an MBT as the command vehicle, others dont - they use M113s.

But the mech bns had tank squadrons as well.

Indeed - each Mech Btn has an MBT squadron - all of which were Centurions mk5/2 (other than the Zeeland Brigades which had Centurions mk5/1)

So it gets devilish complicated ... not really sure how to do the conversions to CWC?

I'm still mystified how you get squadrons of 4 stands.

I'd have thought you'd have in a Jutland Brigade, 1 tank battalion with two squadrons each of two stands of MBTs, 2 mech battalions each with one tank squadron of two stands of MBTs.
Total: 8 stands of MBTs.

Of course, I have Russian ten-tank companys represented by only two stands of MBTs as well.

(If you're using 1 stand=about 3 real MBTs then instead of two stands per company/squadron have three)

Yes - thanks - we've both arrived at the same answer in effect - it is 8 bases/stands (models) of MBTs ... just split into squadrons of 2's rather than 4's.

That works for me. And yes I'll be fielding at least 1 Jutland Brigade.

Many thanks - the 1 stand = 3 MBTs is helpful.