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Bosko Buha
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Posted on 08 July 2010 at 23:32:04 GMT
Following the book (and errata) you only need three unsupressed infantry units to claim an objective as long as they stay on the objective for one turn. Can you still claim the objective if there are three or more enemy infantry units on that objective or does this mean that the objective is contested?
pete
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Posted on 09 July 2010 at 00:07:36 GMT
All you need are three of your own.
Bosko Buha
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Posted on 09 July 2010 at 00:14:08 GMT
Fair enough, although this makes the Explotation scenario a nightmare for the defender.

Thanks for the replyCool
Igneous Stonehammer
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Posted on 09 July 2010 at 07:55:45 GMT
Bosko Buha,

Would not worry about claiming the objective, my british force will be broken long before you need to think of that.

Iggy.
Bosko Buha
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Posted on 09 July 2010 at 09:38:44 GMT
This also means that you claimed your objectives early in the last game.

I guess the idea for this scenario is for the defender to hold the line on the middle third of the table and watchout for flank deployment as well as transport helicopters assaulting the rear line. All this without defences (except standard dug-in), without off table arty and with half-points less then the attacker.Lifeless
Igneous Stonehammer
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Posted on 09 July 2010 at 12:54:54 GMT
Yeah the fact that they were there in the correct table section was enough. The fact that your battlegroup broke was in the end irrelevant.

Iggy.
Counterpane
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Posted on 09 July 2010 at 15:32:06 GMT
Having played the Exploitation scenario recently, I agree that it could be pretty hard for the defender.

The balance of this scenario (probably all of them) is going to be very variable. There's a complicated interaction involving the absolute number of infantry units the attacker has and the amount of space the defender is trying to hold with each unit he has. A 1500 point defending force trying to hold a 1.2m x 1.8m table is going to find it harder than they would on a 0.9m x 1.2m table.
Igneous Stonehammer
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Posted on 09 July 2010 at 17:26:42 GMT
Hi Counterpane,

I will be defending with 2500 of British VS 5000 of East Germans on a 6 by 4 table and the era is no later than 1985.

After playing the attacker already I am not sure it is possible for the defender too win. I think, well actually I am not sure what I think. Too take out say at least 9 T72s and well over 12 BMP's with their infantry, is going to be tough.

If I take the units capable of dishing out the damage then my break point is going to be frightenly low. However infantry simply hiding in cover will not deny the attacker victory.

I mean I can go with min infantry, 6 Chally I's and 3 Strikers with swingfire and some Carls for the infantry. It should hurt armour but a break point of 5, ulp!!! Or replace the Strikers with as much air as possible, 2 Lynxs and 2 Jags. Still leaves min infantry and a poor break point.

Gaah, but it will be fun, however it turms out.

Cheers

IggySmile
Igneous Stonehammer
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Posted on 12 July 2010 at 09:41:57 GMT
Morning all,

Well it is the day after the battle and yes the East germans won on turn 3. 6 BMPs drove into a wood which was within the minor victory third of the table, I forgot one round of inititive fire which might have had an effect on the game, if I had not promptly failed their HQ command check.

However we decided to play on and see how the battle progressed. By the end of turn 6 the East Germans were broken, 6 British Chally I's had basically gutted them. British losses to that point were nil!. Think the Germans had roughly 9 T72's and 10 BMP's left.

I had taken the full air option but with Germans gaining full air superiority and their Sams ment in 6 tunrs only got 1 Jaguar in, which did a superb job, however with other Jag and 2 lynx's not getting in ment I could not capatalise on all those heavily surpressed T72's.

I think if had taken more armour and no air, considering the Germans took 3 full units of 9 inf in BMPs and only 9 T72s. I might have been able to hold them, especially considering the sheer number of blunders the East German player rolled, especially for getting his units on table.

Cheers

Iggy.
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