The Commander Series Forum

Evening all,

In the recce section it says that a recce unit can request arty during the command phase(FAO) or request air during the command phase(FAC).

Does this mean the recce unit uses the value of the FAC/FAO. Or is it that a FAC/FAO stand has to make the command roll during the command phase.

If it is the FAC/FAO making the command roll, can an army (british) with the fire support rule, use a CO or HQ to make the roll?

Cheers

Iggy.

I think it is the FAO/FAC making the command role in the command phase

I think it has to be the nearest command unit that calls it in

Therefore if the nearest command unit is the FAO/FAC you use that

If your army doesn't have the fire support rule you can't use the CO/HQ to call in arty/air - so if they are nearest the recce you don't get to call in arty/air

If your army does have the fire support rule you can use the CO/HQ (but in this instance only if the CO/HQ is the nearest command unit)

(ten people will now give different interpretations)
Guy

Guy is correct.

Cheers Gwydion & Pete,

That makes my life alot easier, think I can just about get this army to purr then!!!!!

Have too say the "fire support rule" rocks.

Cheers

Iggy.

A pleasure Iggy
Thanks Pete

All right, so then the advantage using recon units to call in airstrikes or artillery is what? Simply that you can use the recon unit's LOS instead of the command unit's?

sounds like it, not bad if you ask me

Also, using the auspices of a recce unit the unit wishing to call fire can do so on unit’s it otherwise couldn’t – such as a unit in a dug in defensive position that has neither moved nor fired and would be considered out of sight if it weren’t for the recce unit’s successful co-operation.

And deviation is measured from the recce unit to target, which is really useful.

As they don't suffer the command distance modifier you can use the CO's orders to motor them behind your opponent to drop big heavy metal things on them next turn...

Another clarification: the options available to a recon unit are limited by what leader unit is closest? So if the closest leader unit is a FAO, the ONLY options for the recon unit is to boost comand value or call in artillery? If you had a FAC that was a little farther away, the recon unit could not choose to contact the FAC instead?

The recce communicates to the closest command unit.

If there are several recce, the next nearest command unit benefits. Command units cannot have a bonus from more than one recce.

As you can see, placement of recce and command units is very important. Recce do not need to see their 'targets' and can hover behind lead combat units/near to command units.

Steve

Steve
that does not sound right at all. I agree that the recce unit can only communicate to the nearest command unit.
I disagree with " Recce units do not need to see thier targets" I think you ment command units.

Steve is right. Recce units can enable an FAO to drop artillery on the nearest enemy unit to the recce, even if the recce has no LOS to the target.

It makes them very useful

Yes, that's right. The recce unit doesn't need LOS to to the unit it's reconnoitering nor does the command unit being communicated with need LOS to the recce unit.

Hello the farrier,

Pete has explained that the recce unit is only the notional representation of the unit on the board. It sends out patrols and locates the enemy that way.

This must be the best mechanism I have seen to represent reconnaissance.

Steve

OK its just I have a lifetime military experience and tho the mechinisim is abstracted so the models don't actualy have to be out front it just does not feel right and sounds gamey to me. Ill look for Petes explanation and try to wrap my head around it .

The Recce rule makes specific reference to the LOS of the recce unit so I don't see that it's clear they can call down arty on targets they can't see.

Where is the previous discussion on this?

Richard

http://www.coldwar-commander.com/Content/Forum/...

http://www.coldwar-commander.com/Content/Forum/...

http://www.coldwar-commander.com/Content/Forum/...

You're right though Counterpane, this does seem to be at odds with the Recce rule on page 10 (which makes reference to targeting units within the recce unit's LOS). Perhaps an entry in the Errata would stop this subject coming up so regularly.

I take that back, it's already in the FAQ:

http://www.coldwar-commander.com/Downloads/Publ...

See Note 9.

So it is!

I'm not sure I like it but I'll try it out and see what my expanding pool of local players think.

Richard