The Commander Series Forum

I picked up some GHQ 1/285th models of the CVR(T) Scorpion with the 90mm gun, but I don't see that explicitly listed in the "British Army,Cold War/Gulf Wars/Modern" list in the rules (and believe me, Pete, I know -- you can't include EVERYTHING).

Would I be right in guessing that the stats for the Scorpion-90 would be identical to those for the basic Scorpion, with the following exceptions?

Attacks: 4/100 (taken from the French Eland 90 AC), straight up (as in, no "(H)" limitation)

Points: Ummm.... more than the Scorpion-76's 65 points (85 minus the +20 fee for Recce)? Obviously, if I want the Scorpion-90's to have the Recce ability, I'd not deduct the Recce fee.

Notes: Sames as Scorpion-76, or do all the Scorpion-90s tend to have fancier tech than the -76's, warranting different special notes?

It's not a big deal. I'm planning on using these in an "AK-47 Republic"-themed army, but battles to be fought using CWC, so deviations from reality aren't a MAJOR concern for me here, but it would be nice to know I'm spending an appropriate number of points for these as I cost out my army.

Thanks in advance!

Scorpion 90 is not in the British list as it was not used. I believed it was exported only.

Steve (ex Scimitar driver and gunner)

It does seem to be in use with some African nations (e.g. Botswana and Nigeria). Would they likely be limited to Western-produced standard rounds?

I'm in that fuzzy zone of wanting to field units that are at least fully plausible, even though the army I'm building is fictional.

When did the Scorpion-90 start getting exported, Mark?

I'm trying to figure out appropriate non-Soviet, non-Chinese kit -- more western stuff -- that a more western-leaning regime might be likely to have bought or been given.

Actually, that's another question I should ask: how much mixing tended to occur of Western and Communist kit within any one country's army?

Badger - up to 50/50 - thats in Yougoslavia. In some cases, Lybia for instance bought western kit for Russian intelligence.

Many minor nations buy what they can get which is cheap, so for instance at the moment there are alarge number of 2nd user Leo I's around so thye turn up in odd places.

To be frank, mix as you feel fit - just dont stick the big stuff, heaviest type would be T-72 I suspect.

IanS

I suspect Morroco also had some 60A1's, have to check the lists though. They would also be some Shermans around, but not the Isralei ones, they went to Chille.

IanS

Thank you both, immensely!

I think I'm going to have to get some of your lists, Mark....

Only three countries that i know of in africa used Shermans, Eygpt gone by the 70s Uganda gone after the Tanzanian invasion 80? and South Africa gone by haven't a clue.

Doesn't Egypt have locally produces M1A1 Abrams under licence?

I know the T-55 was widely exported; what were the most commonly exported Western tanks in 1970-1990's Africa?

P.S. -- I'm not ignoring your generously provided list, Mark -- I just haven't any idea as to how many of the different types got over there!

Vickers III - Nigeria and Oman ? (might be Kuwait). Kenya had the MkI if I recall correctly. 60A3, Egypt, Morroco, cant think of any other African countries, M48 is quite widspread, with Spanish, Morrocan, and cople of others. Panahard - in all varities is comon, althogh not often used as an MBT !, there are also a lot of Scorpions around. However in Africa overall the T54/5 or Type 59 are the most comon, Angola had a mix of T62 and T55, but not in large numbers.

IanS