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The table on page 52 shows IFVs as only being able to carry infantry. However, note 26 on page 120 describes how SA-7 and SA-14 (both classed as ‘Artillery’) are able to fire without the need to dismount when carried by a BMP (an IFV). Obviously the note to the army list takes precedence here, but my question is are there / should there be any other exceptions to the ‘infantry only’ rule for IFVs?

My note 26 on page 120 says:

Note 26. Air Defense Unit - SAM, SA-7/SA-14
May fire without dismounting when transported in BTR/BMD/BMP

Is it possible you have misread your rules, ...or is your addition misprinted? Our group's copies all say what is quoted above.

Will

Opsctr - I think that is exactly what Stu dew was saying -BUT his query is not whether p.120 says they can fire without dismounting, rather it is whether IFV can carry SA7 and 14s at all - p.52 seems to say 'no' only inf units, p.120 looks as if it says 'yes' they can.
I think the answer is that the BMP etc that can fire the SAM without dismounting (on p.120) are the ones in the air defence platoons in the motor rifle battalions - and are not carrying infantry groups and acting as IFV (on p.52)in this role - but I could be wrong

Both SA7 & SA14 are manpads so it would be infantry that would be firing them, therefore nothing other than infantry would be being transported by the IFV.

Yeah, the problem revolved around the description of SA7 &SA14 as 'artillery' in the list on p.118 vice 'infantry'.
Agreed they are man portable- I think this is a nomenclature issue - are there other man-portable items that could be carried in a vehicle that currently are excluded from IFV because of the p.52 rule
When is an IFV not an IFV is something I think I'll let other people decide - Pete for preference.

That's what I was getting at gwyidion.

Whilst skinnedpuppy is obviously correct that the two AD systems I mentioned are MANPADS, the term ‘Infantry’ has a specific meaning within the game mechanics i.e. infantry is what the table on p. 52 and the ‘Arm’ column of an army list say it is. Indeed, the table recognises this when it specifically prevents infantry support units from being carried by IFVs, although they are themselves classed as ‘Infantry’. I have no quibble with this.

What I was asking was; are there any other exceptions (I can’t find any) and could a reasonable case be made to allow other units, currently prohibited, to be carried in an IFV. One for the TO&E wizards…

I sugest you work with - If it's in an Infantry company it goes in IFV.

IanS

Well if you're going to go round using common sense...
Guy

Its written into some rules don yer now !

ianS